Lessons of Chernobyl, with Dr. Alexey Yablokov.

Dr. Alexey Yablokov, of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and co-author of “Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment” (link available under blogroll) spoke in Tokyo on December 15, 2012 about the lessons of Chernobyl for the world suffering under Fukushima radiation.

Dr. Yablokov is an eminent authority on the effect of radioactivity on populations.

I attempted to transcribe his talk the best I could. Clearly he was struggling with English at some times.

We need to discuss what danger is now. We need to create a safe situation now. I studied the consequences of the situation. After 25 or 26 years after Chernobyl, you have some real data. What is the real data?

All people who inhabited territories with 1 curie per square kilometer have some negative health effect. This health effect is much bigger in areas with 5 curies per kilometer… You have to think about this. I think it is most important now to think and discuss the problem of how to minimize the consequences of Fukushima…

I will speak about lessons of Chernobyl for civil society. I understand how it is important for Japan. This book, published first time in Russia, after this in the United States, and last year in Ukraine, now under translation here in this country, and next year in Japan. It is the biggest, up-to-date, independent review of Chernobyl consequences.

This is one example. Look at this. Upper curve is a highly contaminated area after Chernobyl. Lower graphs are less contaminated, and average for Russia. It is obvious that the highly contaminated area has a much higher cancer rate. You have the same thing here, absolutely sure, in 5 years, 7 years.

These were caused by Chernobyl irradiation, the same will be caused by Fukushima irradiation. Blood and circulation system disorders, endocrine system disorders, immune system disorders, respiratory system disorders, reproductive disorders, musculoskeletal system disorders, central nervous system disorders. Even a small dose, if it impacts for several years, it is visible, it is possible to detect changes in the brain. We have strong evidence that Chernobyl irradiation has broken the brain. And not only cataract, but special ocular vitreous destruction.

Digestive tract disorders, congenital malformations. Hundreds and hundreds, several thousands, typical radiation damage.

Among other consequences of Chernobyl catastophe, premature aging. Premature aging is typical for any irradiation. It means even children looked like older people. And older people looked older than their physiological age.

Also, mutation. Mutation is very important. It is maybe the key to understanding the level of exposure. It is possible to count it directly in the blood.

This is a highly contaminated group, liquidators. These are persons who worked in clean-up operations at the Chernobyl station. We looked for frequency of miscarriages in their families. During two or three years after Chernobyl, miscarriages dropped, but look, half of pregnancies ended in miscarriage, during the first year after Chernobyl.

And this is lens opacity. One of the consequences of irradiation is with the lens of the eye. Lens opacity and the level of incorporated cesium-137 in Belarusian children. You can see a very good correlation.

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The next picture is thyroid cancer. We have a similar picture just now.

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One more. Breast cancer jumped 10 years after Chernobyl. Breast cancer going up in highly contaminated areas. The upper graph, more than 5 curies per square kilometer. Visible risings of breast cancer 10 years after the catastrophe. You will have here the same situation.

Nuclear specialists, IAEA specialist officials, blame people and call it “radiation phobia”. They call it not real radiation illnesses, just psychological, radiation phobia. But radiation phobia in frogs, in swallows, in wolves, in pine trees? When we observe absolutely the same health disorders, the same mutation rates that we have in people.

Nuclear specialists and nuclear journals do not publish real data. How is it possible to catch real data? To take official statistics, and look for this, here is one example. Mortality rates going up for several years after Chernobyl. This is the deviation of infant mortality from the long-term trend in Germany and Poland. It’s not Russia, not Belarus, not Ukraine, it is less contaminated than these three countries. But, in spite of this, we have such an effect. Visible statistical elevation of infant mortality.

After 1986, we have some unexpected risings of the level of mortality. Nobody can explain anything more than Chernobyl. Only Chernobyl. No reason, no reason. Why, in Norway, in Finland, in Switzerland, in Germany, in Poland, there are risings in infant mortality.

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This is Japan. A paper published two weeks ago. It calculates from official demographical data, published by the Japanese ministry of health and labor. You can see after Fukushima, in 2 months, and in 9 months, a visible rate of infant mortality going up. Obviously, it is Fukushima. But what is interesting, is that it is the data of the whole country, not near to Fukushima. We need to study it specially, carefully, in the Tokyo area, the north area, the south area. I expect that what we have here is very unpleasant data.


This is mortality for 6 highly contaminated territories in Russia, and 6 less contaminated territories. Mortality for 15 years, it obviously statistically differs. It is very spectacular that such different consequences arise for mortality. It is impossible to detect why it happened, but of course it is the result of Chernobyl.

If all plants, animals, micro-organisms which stand on the Chernobyl territory have a high level of mutation, it obviously is a result of Chernobyl. We have here the same. I know, as the result of study, butterflies, some birds around Fukushima, absolutely the same. In Chernobyl, we have the same effect like Fukushima. Less biodiversity, higher mutation rate, and genomic instability, such damage in animals and plants.

Some people who visit the Chernobyl zone for the first time think, “oh, how it flourishes”, because no people, and a lot of animals, and a lot of plants, but all plants have some chromosome damage. All animals find that it is not good to breed there, in the Chernobyl zone. They mostly come from other places, because there is no anthropogenic pressure. So the Chernobyl zone looks like a black hole.

The Chernobyl catastrophe demonstrates that the nuclear industry is willing to risk our planet with nuclear power, not only theoretically, but practically, at the same level of the risk to humanity as nuclear weapons.

Thank you very much for your attention.

56 thoughts on “Lessons of Chernobyl, with Dr. Alexey Yablokov.

  1. “But radiation phobia in frogs, in swallows, in wolves, in pine trees? When we observe absolutely the same health disorders, the same mutation rates that we have in people. ”
    If we could just get the general public to digest these facts….uprising, uprising….But they remain shackled in a chain of lies fabricated by the nuke industry.

    It makes you feel as if all of us born since the dark atomic dawn have never experienced the true vitality of Life. Robbed at conception….

  2. Japan’s ongoing death fissioning is going to make Chernobyl look like a window to the salvation that we missed, ..this time the whole world with deadly amounts, and a Pandora’s box of new unsuspected horror’s !
    The HORROR, ..The Wailing to come, ..the Gnashing of teeth !

  3. FUKU ? Rich or poor, Famous or not, Tall or Short, heavy or Light, FUKU will take it’s toll !

    Beyonce has spoken in detail about her miscarriage for an upcoming HBO documentary called “Life is But a Dream,” according to reports.

    In the new documentary the “Single Ladies” singer reveals the torment she went through two years ago when she suffered a miscarriage, sparking one of the most difficult times in her life.

    “About two years ago, I was pregnant for the first time,” Beyonce says in the documentary, which is set to be broadcast on Feb. 16. “And I heard the heartbeat, which was the most beautiful music I ever heard in my life.”

    The singer also explained how she had even pictured her child, and was choosing names prior to the heart-breaking news of the miscarriage. …

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/beyonce-miscarriage-singer-reveals-heartbreak-in-hbo-documentary-life-is-but-a-dream-video-89246/

  4. Miscarriage Statistics

    Overall miscarriage risk is 17-22%; risk after gestational sac is visible is 12-15% …
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11950476

    After heartbeat is detected, risk of miscarriage is 9.4% at 6wks; 4.2% at 7wks; 1.5% at 8wks; 0.5% at 9wks …
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18310375

    Second trimester miscarriage risk is 0.5%; higher with previous delivery or miscarriage …
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17823976

    Age and Miscarriage …
    Previous Losses and Miscarriage …
    Infection and Miscarriage …
    Other Traits and Miscarriage …
    Random Miscarriage Data …
    https://sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/miscarriage-general

    Found some amazineing facts here !

    In America, almost 26,000 women experience stillbirths every year. In around every 200 pregnancies, one fetal death will occur.

    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-causes-stillbirths.htm

    And what will it be as shortly ?

    • I have had many miscarriages. When I lived in Germany during 1993-1995 the doctors would not even schedule first trimester appt.s for women because the miscarriage rate was so high it was a waste of time and money for them. After I left a few years later I heard that they ‘banned’ the use of foreign estrogens etc in the meats and dairy products due to this problem… I had 3 miscarriages while there and only was able to carry my second daughter Paje, by leaving the country as soon as I knew she existed and sat on top of a mountain in W. Virginia and barely ate a thing, (due to extreme nausea, not knowledge) which in hind-sight likely saved her life as I was NOT consuming foreign estrogens which would have likely ended her life like the others…
      if I had known then what I know now…. Paje would likely not be here, but another before her, and possibly Bubba would not be either, as we lost one before him.. at any rate, pretty confusing of a thought!

      • Yeah, V, you got nailed by Three Mile Island, and then moved to Germany and got nailed by Chernobyl, which occurred 7 years earlier. The foreign estrogens are a big problem for you, but consider they are not a big deal to those who weren’t exposed to radiation.

        • ridiculous, when Bubba showed that to me I suggested he post it up here…yeah vote for a bill that you don’t even know anything about cuz it’s ‘classified’.

          • woops I was trying to reply to Bubba, and yes you are right about the estrogen thing being amped up by the fact that I was fried on both ends by radiation…

  5. University Hospital of the metropolitan area, all patients relapse incurable kidney disease. Canary or even radioactivity fibromyalgia. Symptom reporting Osaka rubble.

    http://blog.goo.ne.jp/nagaikenji20070927/e/0acf35e14ca38a722e252cbff0bc03aa (Japanese)

    Fibromyalgia is on the rise in contaminated areas in Japan, along with chronic kidney disease. An FM patient moved from a contaminated area of Saitama, to Fukuoka, much farther away, and symptoms improved.

    • I am soooo frustrated because I have proof of radioactivity causing FM symptoms… months of work. No one will listen.

      My deteriorating health has forced me to expend all time and energy in getting better.

      Idiot doctors say fibromyalgia is all in your head. Just like they say that radiation symptoms are all in your head.

      I am so fucking pissed off right now.

      • I found these, any help ?
        One says ; Electromagnetic Radiation Blocking Fabric Reduces Fibromyalgia …
        Jan 25, 2007 … New study finds that a special fabric called Farabloc can effectively reduce the pain felt by fibromyalgia sufferers.
        “So they say it is related …”

        many here;
        http://isearch.avg.com/search?pid=avg&sg=&cid={C3CABF43-64C8-4016-A514-12E761310B8B}&mid=942c4ef0591047d08f849128c0df73e9-ad1491be2ce6c122f6b66faa90e70c2decf7d34c&lang=en&ds=AVG&pr=fr&d=2013-01-25 09:17:50&v=14.0.2.14&sap=tr&q=fibromyalgia%20radiation

        • FM is an environmental illness. Radiation makes people more sensitive to pollutants and stressors like EM radiation. Fibromyalgia symptoms are symptoms of poisoning, but these occur at much lower concentrations than with healthy people. Read up on patient reports of mercury poisoning, for example. They have the same symptoms that fibromyalgia patients have.

  6. Radiation Fears With Fibromyalgia & Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

    The earthquake, tsunami and nuclear emergencies in Japan are disturbing enough — then come fears of radiation exposure by people around the world. You may be hearing that you should take potassium iodide to protect yourself from radiation. Some of the concerns involve thyroid health, which those of us with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome frequently have problems with.

    You need to know that a lot of the information out there is …

    http://chronicfatigue.about.com/b/2011/03/19/radiation-fears-with-fibromyalgia-chronic-fatigue-syndrome.htm

    • Read all the comments !

      March 21, 2011 at 3:53 am
      (2) NanaMolly says:
      This posting had no information in it. I would really like to know if there are any affects from radiation for suffers of Fibromyalgia. Telling us to not take potassium iodine (“assuming, of course, that you’re well away from Japan”) is not information about the effects of radiation with the condition we live with. Is there any?

      • February 27, 2012 at 10:33 am
        (4) AIDAN WALSH says:

        In a landmark study 5 Gulf War Vets were tested in a U.S. lab and found to have broken and displaced chromosones…These same researchers are now testing cfs/fibro patients and expect to also find irreversible chromosone damages and these damages to the chromosones ae even higher than cancer patients…This will prove beyond a doubt why the norway studies on arthritis cancer drug will only temporarily relieve symptoms in patients…There is no difference in these ‘label’ illnesses from Chernobyl radiation didasters…All along researchers thought the strange ciguatara findings in cfs were the result of a radiological disaster that is already in our water foods and yes gone into organ and blood supplies and very highly likely of vaccine biological warfare…Dr. Garth Nicolson for decades has been screaming about bio-warfare and radiological warfare…One does not have to go to any Gulf War because its also now found in non-deployed vets who never set foot in ant desert war theaters…On Dec.1st. 2011 the National CFIDS Foundation put out a press release and posted on this release part 4 of the Discovery Channel ‘conspiracy test’ and this has 5 parts to these finding…These scientists are the top in the world in their fields and they expect to find same chromosone damages in cfs/fibro…We have been lied to for decades but now criminal damages and multi billion dollar lawsuits will come forward with full criminal and public enquiries…

        • December 11, 2012 at 2:01 pm
          (5) MR AIDAN G WALSH says:

          the cause of cfs and gwi have been identified by researchers at wayne stae university…chromosone damage with translocation patients with cfs plus gulf war illness have internal alpha beta or gamma ionization radiation illness in fact the Bush administration lied to the world on chemical biological and radiation weapons the u.s. military personell already admitted using over 600 tons in their weapons onto the Iraq people and also blowing up Bush’s weapons of mass destructions and all came back in their faces for non deployed army and civilians who are sick the U.S. government has been using these weapons all across the globe in military trainings…they have lied to all of us from the beginning and they still get away with war crimes…yes, Japan is serious because that radiation is all over North America…the national cfids foundation funded the wayne state researchers plus the useless Pentagon has now put $900,000.00 into this research team led by Dr. Henry Heng…this is te biggest medical cover-up of the 21st century this is not hype its fact…these war crime Nato countries like others have used radiation even during the second world war…they know exactly why we are sick and now is the time to get a good lawyer and sue them for millions and protest that those responsible are tried in the hague…George Bush has a swiss warrant for his arrest in switzerland…doctors are now telling the women in Iraq not to have babies because they are born with radiation defects…

    • “Meanwhile, I hope you’re not letting the Japan tragedy to overwhelm you emotionally. It’s best for us to limit our exposure to coverage like that so it doesn’t make our symptoms worse.”

      In other words, it’s all in your head.

  7. Group Questions Firm Running Nuke Plant
    Tuesday, February 5, 2013
    OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — A Nebraska environmental group on Monday questioned the track record of the company hired to run the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant because of concerns raised by federal regulators.

    The Clean Nebraska group said it was troubled by the questions the Nuclear Regulatory Commission had raised about some of the calculations Exelon made for its other nuclear plants. The NRC said last week it was looking into whether Chicago-based Exelon intentionally understated the cost of decommissioning 23 of its nuclear reactors.

    Exelon spokesman David Tillman said the company denies intentionally providing incorrect data and “disputes the findings.” Tillman said the …

    http://www.chem.info/News/2013/02/Plant-Operations-Group-Questions-Firm-Running-Nuke-Plant/

    • That’s rediculous ” intentionally understated”, ya right.
      They’d have to be competent for that to happen!

      Go figure the “deliberate dupes” deliberately duped the dopey dupes!

  8. wow, just listened to the video. Why do the masses not care what elderly ppl say? This man clearly knows what he is talking about. For crap’s sake, look who he is, what he has done with his life… he and those with his experience and life’s work are precisely who we should be listening to.

    Thanks for your tireless efforts Bobby

  9. We have data ! YES !
    The dose received from background radiation on the island was found to be between 2.4 mSv/year and 4.5 mSv/year (the lower rate is the same as natural background radiation), assuming that a diet of imported foods was available.[19] It was because of these food risks that the group eventually did not recommend fully resettling the island.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll

  10. Duke Energy to Close Troubled Nuclear Plant
    February 6, 2013
    RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — The largest U.S. electricity company said Tuesday it will permanently close a Florida nuclear power plant after botched repairs and use $835 million from an insurance settlement to refund consumers forced to pay for higher-cost replacement power.

    But Charlotte, N.C.-based Duke Energy also said it will seek to recoup from customers its $1.65 billion investment in the Crystal River Nuclear Plant, about 70 miles north of Tampa. The company said it …

    http://www.chem.info/News/2013/02/Plant-Operations-Duke-Energy-to-Close-Troubled-Nuclear-Plant/

  11. Slam piece about Fukushima worries, medical writer Judy Foreman claims nobody has died, and radiation symptoms are all in your head:

    http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2013/02/fukushima-depression-obesity

    This is her website:

    http://judyforeman.com/

    She says that vitamins are bad, don’t cleanse yourself of toxins, organic food is bad for you, etc.

    http://judyforeman.com/column-categories/alternative-medicine/

    She is a tool of the medical-nuclear complex. It looks like they are getting worried, so they are stepping up the propaganda.

      • She is a self-proclaimed “medical expert.” Whenever you hear that “Experts say blah-blah”, she is the kind of person they are talking about.

      • Hey, i take offense to that.

        An asshole is actually useful for something.

        You said it, crap! Rectal bleeding is all in your head. They’re all rumors, harmful rumors. Smile!
        So confident in her views, not allowing comments. JunkScience.com might actually have considered that article to be junk science, if only they weren’t so far up “oil’s” ass that they can see where the “crap” comes from! Eh tu, NORM?

        • Here’s 3 more unfortunate comments shortly after 3/11:

          ““There’s no risk of an extensive radiation leak into the surrounding areas.” – Robin Grimes, Director of the Centre for Nuclear Engineering at Imperial College London [6]

          “It’s simply impossible to imagine anything like Chernobyl happening in these reactors, despite all the problems they’re having.” – David Brenner, professor of radiation biophysics at the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University [7]

          “There is no question of a Chernobyl situation or of anything like the same threat to human health and safety … An accident like Chernobyl cannot happen again—this is a reactor of a different generation. Even in the worst-case scenario of a total coolant failure, the radiation released will be hundreds of times less than from Chernobyl.” – Rafael Arutyunyan, deputy head of the Russian Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Nuclear Energy Development Security [8]

          “The Chernobyl reactor was new, it was undergoing tests, and it had very little structural containment measures to ward off a meltdown. The Japanese reactors are a completely different design known as Boiling Water Reactors, which are old and tested, and have three quite elaborate systems of containment designed to constrain radioactive leakage…’The third containment is designed, built, and tested for one single purpose: To contain, indefinitely, a complete core meltdown.” – Josef Oehmen, a research scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge, Mass. [9]”

          ___quoted from: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fukushima_Disaster:_The_Myth_of_Nuclear_Safety

    • I would love to go to that symposium. Unfortunately, I still can’t tolerate being out of the house for more than 2 hours.

    • There are some “anti-nuclear lite” speakers at this symposium. Arnie Gundersen, David Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists (which has disparaged Yablokov’s work), and Ian Fairlie.

      I don’t see Chris Busby’s name there.

    • The appointment of Sarah Darby as a neutral raised a few eyebrows but the most extraordinary development was the control exercised by Ian Fairlie over the direction of the committee and its deliberations. Fairlie, who admitted to being a great friend of Richard Wakeford, BNFL’s Health Effects Rottweiler, even withheld papers which had been submitted for the Committee’s consideration. The deliberations became so altered by the time the minutes of the early meetings appeared that LLRC had to bring a DAT tape recorder to each session to ensure accuracy. Paul Dorfman was routinely excluded from decisions, paperwork and access to meeting transcripts. Finally, when Marion Hill (about whom we were at first the most concerned in terms of possible bias) began to be excluded from the secretariat loop, she resigned in a letter that accused Fairlie and Goodhead of collusion resulting in a bias to the intention of the committee. She further complained that Fairlie’s invoices would soon amount to £100,000 – four times as much as other Secretariat members – when unsalaried members of the committee like Richard Bramhall (who spent days transcribing the tape recordings) and Chris Busby (writing copious papers for the committee) received nothing.

      http://www.llrc.org/rat/subrat/rat522.htm

    • There are good people there too… Koide, Yablokov, Wing, Mangano, Alvarez, Kamps, Caldicott. Andy Kanter is a good guy.

  12. Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor’s Message for Japan: ‘Run Away as Quickly as Possible’

    Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors among those directly involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl, was a 35-year-old engineer at a nuclear plant in Ozersk, Russia, in April 1986 when she and 13 other scientists were told to report to the wrecked, burning plant in the northern Ukraine.

    It was just four days after the world’s biggest nuclear disaster spewed enormous amounts of radiation into the atmosphere and forced the evacuation of 100,000 people.

    Manzurova and her colleagues were among the roughly 800,000 “cleaners” or “liquidators” in charge of the removal and burial of all the contamination in …

    http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/22/chernobyl-cleanup-survivors-message-for-japan-run-away-as-qui/

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